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25 March 2018

Potential 2 year FMO3 Study

A Metabolic Consultant has offered to do a 2 year study on 2 ways to improve FMO3 function.

Part 2 (part 1 in the paper). would focus on NONSENSE mutations, which are rare but usually severe.
Part 1 would focus on MISSENSE mutations, which will be the vast majority of TMAU1 cases.
Speculation suggests that TMAU2 cases could also possibly be mild missense cases.

I make MISSENSE part 1 as this will be the vast majority
e.g. E158K E308G etc

What's needed for the study to happen :
A TRUSTED PARTY to set up a CROWDFUNDING PAGE.
Youcaring is suggested as it's free and has few clauses : Youcaring
But any crowdfund site would do.

Study cost : about $US 100,000

Why ? 
Someone will be hired fulltime for 2 years.
Plus equipment etc

Study basics :
1. Using ATALUREN to see if it helps with NONSENSE mutations.
2. DRUG REPURPOSING : going through many drugs in FMO3 cells to see if any improve FMO3 function. This would help with MISSENSE mutations.

Drug Repurposing often happens in pharma-world.
Such as viagra originally being for heart disease.
Often multi-uses are found for drugs accidentally.

The study needs funding

A best option would seem to be crowdfunding.
possible scenarios :
A trusted individual or collective to take on the crowdfund.
e.g. A group of respected older women ?
or
Using the REACT Fund as a trusted proxy (if they let the consultant have the money)
RE(ACT) TMAU FUND
or
Any other ideas

Fuller outline of the potential study

 Time-lines for the project (at half-yearly milestones):


Study component
Year 1
Year 2
Generation of a range of FMO3 nonsense and missense mutations and the in vitro tools for their functional analysis in a cell culture system
X
X


Evaluation of the efficacy of read-through agents and other drugs in our in vitro cell culture system, including acquisition of structural and functional evidence


X
X

2.  Repurposing of existing drugs:

TMAU is caused by a functional deficiency of the FMO3 protein.  Many of the missense mutations of the FMO3 gene are hypomorphs, ie there is some residual activity of the enzyme, albeit not enough to prevent the accumulation of TMA.  Augmenting expression of the faulty gene through activation of the FMO3 promoter, could improve overall FMO3 enzyme expression, with significant amelioration of the disorder(19).  Libraries of known therapeutic agents are commercially available that can be used in high throughput screening assays to screen for possible opportunities to “repurpose” the drug, ie apply it in a therapeutic context for which it was not originally designed.

We propose to use the cell culture models developed by us in a high throughput screening approach to identify new potential therapeutic agents that could augment expression of the FMO3 gene.

If we demonstrate potential in vitro efficacy of specific well-established therapeutic agents, we will then potentially be in a position to move to clinical trials in patients with trimethylaminuria, particularly if the therapeutic agent identified has an existing therapeutic track record in other disorders.

1.  Read through of premature termination mutations: (Nonsense mutations)

Premature termination or nonsense mutations arise as a result of a single nucleotide change in a gene where the change leads to the conversion of an amino acid in the protein sequence to a premature stop codon.  Such mutations often result in the protein losing most if not all of its functional capacity.  It was recognised a number of years ago that aminoglycoside antibiotics can force the transcriptional machinery to read through the premature stop mutations, and allow the normal protein to be made, restoring activity of the protein(13).  However, aminoglycoside antibiotics have significant side effects and are not a viable therapeutic option.  More recently a new class of drugs has been developed that has the capacity to promote read through of premature termination mutations, and which appear to be totally non-toxic(14).  One in particular, PTC124, has been shown to result in the production of normal dystrophin in the mdx mouse model of Duchenne muscular dystrophy(14), and has been used in clinical trials in human subjects with cystic fibrosis, with clear benefits being found(15).  In addition, there are a number of other read-through agents currently being evaluated for potential in vitro and in vivo use. An inborn error of metabolism like TMAU would be an excellent candidate for this type of therapy, as an increase of enzyme activity to perhaps as little as 10% of normal should be enough to overcome the biochemical block.


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3 September 2017

Mice on high choline diet deficient in choline : Paper

This could be a very important paper for the following malodor problems :
TMAU (if you believe that TMA is the sole source of your malodor).
Possibly 'FMO3 malodors' (if you think many FMO3 substrates cause your smells).
Possibly (in theory), if low blood choline caused smells (this is an unknown).

2017 Paper :
Metabolic, Epigenetic, and Transgenerational Effects of Gut Bacterial Choline Consumption
Romano KA et al
Unis of Wisconsin and Harvard

in the news : link


Summary
Choline is an essential nutrient and methyl donor required for epigenetic regulation. Here, we assessed the impact of gut microbial choline metabolism on bacterial fitness and host biology by engineering a microbial community that lacks a single choline-utilizing enzyme. Our results indicate that choline-utilizing bacteria compete with the host for this nutrient, significantly impacting plasma and hepatic levels of methyl-donor metabolites and recapitulating biochemical signatures of choline deficiency. Mice harboring high levels of choline-consuming bacteria showed increased susceptibility to metabolic disease in the context of a high-fat diet. Furthermore, bacterially induced reduction of methyl-donor availability influenced global DNA methylation patterns in both adult mice and their offspring and engendered behavioral alterations. Our results reveal an underappreciated effect of bacterial choline metabolism on host metabolism, epigenetics, and behavior. This work suggests that interpersonal differences in microbial metabolism should be considered when determining optimal nutrient intake requirements.
in the news : link

My interp
It seems they wanted to see how mice differed between groups that had 1:abundant bacteria that turn choline into TMA ... and 2: mice that had a cloned enzyme that blocked microbes changing choline into TMA.

The results were
The TMA-microbe rich mice had low choline blood levels even on a normal choline rich diet.
This is because the gut microbes COMPETE with the host for choline (and microbes get first go).
This caused significantly lower METHYL DONOR metabolite levels in blood and liver, as choline is one of our main methyl donors.
The low blood methyl/choline levels in blood seemed to cause behavioral problems (e.g. anxiety).

Choline
Seems to be one of our main METHYL DONORS (in the blood).
Is an important fat decongestant for the liver.
As we can make some, it was regarded a non-essential nutrient, but now it is accepted that we cannot make anywhere near the amount we need, so is in effect an essential nutrient.

Behavior problems
It's interesting they report the 'low choline blood' mice as having behavior issues such as anxiety, as many with TMAU report of anxiety.

My thoughts
I have thought this before, that low choline blood may be an issue for anyone with 'TMAU' who eats a high choline diet, or even worse for someone following a low choline diet.
As said, choline is important for the liver and as a methyl donor.

NAFLD
I do wonder if perhaps those with TMAU are prone to non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. Perhaps in general or in a particular way. Very speculative.
Many Drs feel that most westerners will have some fatty liver say over 40+, due to diet and lifestyle. But perhaps low choline could be an issue.

Appropriate tests :
1. I guess a liver ultrasound to see how the liver is. (mainstream test)
2. Choline blood test. This is not mainstream and seems very hard to find. It should be mainstream but it's not.

What can a TMAU person do to raise choline blood levels ?
It would seem impossible as the choline will be altered to TMA before it is absorbed.
One choline expert suggested phosphatidylcholine was less easy for microbes to alter, and may be worth a try (unlikely ??).
My own view is that testing for choline blood level would be the best option, so we could see if there was a 'syndrome' common to us.

TMAU low choline predicament (my theory)
2 scenarios
1. High  choline diet (normal west diet) > TMA microbes eat the choline before they are absorbed > person has low blood choline.
2. Person goes on low choline diet > even lower in blood choline level.

They cloned an enzyme in the microbes that did not produce TMA
I note they mention they had an enzyme cloned and put into microbes that stopped production of TMA.
My guess is this approach would be an obvious therapy for TMAU.
Something we should certainly investigate.
My opinion : PROBIOTIC THERAPY with CLONED MICROBES that don't carry CHOLINE-TMA enzyme is one of our best hopes.

Could low choline blood levels cause the smells ?
I guess it's possible that LOW CHOLINE BLOOD levels could cause the smells for metabolic/systemic malodors to do with related enzymes (e.g. FMO3) , but for now it must be deemed an outside chance but definitely one worth following up.

My advice for now 
Try and find a test supplier to do the choline blood test (possibly very difficult).
And perhaps a liver ultrasound to see if you have some fatty liver.

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16 March 2017

Nicotine and common FMO3 variant E308G

New paper looking at what role FMO3 might play in metabolizing nicotine.
Common FMO3 variant E308G seemed to double the time needed to clear n-oxidation metabolites of nicotine.

This paper :
The research is about nicotine metabolism in humans. In this case they looked at common FMO3 variant E308G and it's effect on nicotine metabolites (the n-oxide part) and also in ability to give up smoking.

Paper :
Nicotine dependence is associated with functional variation in FMO3, an enzyme that metabolizes nicotine in the brain. : click link (abstract)

They say :
FMO3 plays a small role in nicotine metabolism.
But an important role, In n-oxidation.
E308G variant reduced n-oxidation of nicotine by 50% (i.e. double the time to clear the n-oxides).
They say FMO3 (and FMO1) is present in the brain.
They suggest the brain connection may have an affect on how likely a person may give up smoking.

CYP2A6 :
CYP2A6 is one of the group of CYP450 oxidizing (redox) enzymes.
Currently it's regarded a heavy-duty player in metabolizing nicotine metabolites in particular.
FMO3 is also a redox enzyme, but currently regarded a small player.

E308G  variant in FMO3 gene :
E308G is at codon 308 of the 532 amino acid FMO3 protein code.
It's meant to be amino acid E but instead is G (or vice versa. can't recall).
Currently it's regarded 'harmless', but many TMAU people carry it.
About 15-25% of whites are thought to carry E308G.
E308G is the 2nd most common FMO3 coding variant in whites after E158K (maybe 10-40% whites).

In this paper they say E308G may double the time needed to clear n-oxide metabolites of nicotine, and also affect the ability to give up smoking ?

FMO3 in the brain :
CYP2A6 is not present in the brain.
But FMO3 (and FMO1) is.

What's this to do with Systemic Body Odor ? :
My own view is that currently FMO3 is the most likely enzyme at fault in systemic body odor cases.  
This paper in relation to FMO3 :
The paper is really to do with smoking, how nicotine in cigs are metabolized, and any clues as to how enzymes may play a role in stopping smoking. I guess they will look a bit more at FMO3 now. But it may be to try and block FMO3 so the person has a bad reaction to smoking (like antabuse and alcohol).
It should ,lead to more FMO3 research anyway.
The labs listed are spread over USA. Probably a union for research in smoking.

Final thoughts :
Not directly to do with Systemic Body Odor but any research in FMO3 is welcome, as it is a very neglected enzyme due to not being thought important.
It's interesting that FMO is in the brain. May play a role in psychiatric disorders and drug metabolism.
I'm not expecting much from this research (but might be wrong).
FMO3 flaws may mean they are not very good 'smokers'. (?)
E308G is carried by maybe about 15-25% whites, and all of them don't smell, so it doesn't seem that solely carrying E308G results in someone having 'smell problems'. 

FMO3 gene :
532 amino acid code for the FMO3 protein. (exon)
They are talking about the variant at codon 308.
Little known about FMO3, but currently E308G is taught as harmless.

All genes also have a 'junk part' and promoter region etc (introns).
You can have faults in the junk part (introns) that affect the coding. (i.e. perfect 532 code and certain intron faults might still mean sub-par function).


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1 March 2017

New paper : TMAU might not just be FMO3 disorder

New TMAU paper by Monell et al.
Conclusion (?) : TMAU might not just be because of FMO3 enzyme.
Paper funded by NORD grant crowdfunded by TMAU community in 2011.

Around 2009-2011 a TMAU community group spearheaded a crowdfunding campaign to get the NORD TMAU grant past it's $25K trigger point so that researchers could put forward proposals for the grant. The grant was awarded in 2011 to a Monell Chemical Senses proposal. This month the paper has been published in a peer journal.

NORD grant TMAU paper : Genetic analysis of impaired trimethylamine metabolism using whole exome sequencing

Conclusions
Thus, variants in genes other than FMO3 may cause TMAU and the genetic variants identified here serve as a starting point for future studies of impaired TMA metabolism.

My interp of the paper 

My interp is they are saying genetic TMAU may not just be just to FMO3 enzyme flaws. In particualr they mention PYROXD2 enzyme, which has been mentioned in TMAU circles before (can't recall why).  

My own view on the paper (bad analogy ... suspects and safehouses)
If you think of 'volatiles' as the suspects, and FMO3 as the safe-house, they are saying the suspect (TMA) stays at various safehouses, TMA is to blame for all the smells, and only TMA should be followed about even when it leaves FMO3 'house' to other safehouses.

My own current view is the only safehouse to watch is FMO3, and note all the 'volatiles' that stay there. In fact I reckon TMA is a 'small player' and other FMO3 'safehouse' suspects are more likley to blame for smells. Probably the likes of dimethylsulfide.

So this new paper has went in a direction that doesn't fit with my current thinking, but it is 'new' in that they are suggesting TMA might be metabolized by enzymes other than FMO3 (?).

Paper view
Current Safehouse : FMO3
Suspect : TMA is only suspect.
Paper : TMA might have other safehouses.

My View
Safehouse : FMO3
Suspect : many. TMA a small player
My view : No need to follow TMA. FMO3 is only safehouse that matters, Keep an eye on the all suspects at FMO3 house.

Overall, I think so little research has gone into FMO3 and TMA that we may be at 'chapter 1' of understanding them. As this was a small one-off study, I don't expect much more 'TMAU' research on it. But since TMA has been suggested as having a connection with cardiovascular disease, perhaps TMAU people will be able to read on such research from this aspect in future.

Other comments on the paper :

None of the 10 people seem to report fishy smell. Most report 'sulfury'/fecal smells
My impression is that Monell feel TMA causes a fishy smell, but through influence have broadened this to saying TMA might cause smells more broader than that. Personally I think the smells are not due to TMA, but to other volatiles (e.g. sulfides), and in a way TMA is probably a 'small player' but a good biomarker of FMO3 function (? not even sure about that).    

Only one has FMO3 mutations that would be regarded by clinicians as TMAU1 
In academia and the clinical world, the teaching is that genetic TMAU is caused by serious FMO3 mutations. But in this paper only one has taught 'serious' mutations (at codon 148). Or at least, I think faults at 148 are bad. I note that they are not the worst TMAU result in the paper (at about 56%).

All the other FMO3 faults listed are carriers of common 'benign' FMO3 faults

Common FMO3 variants carried by whites by %  :
codon 158 : 20-50% ?
codon 308 -  up to 20% ?
codon 257 -  up to 15% ?

As can be seen, many people carry common FMO3 variants. Currently they are taught as being 'benign'. But in the paper, of the 10 tested, many of them only carry one of these FMO3 faults (mainly 158). Obviously 50% of whites don't have metabolic smells, so it's still an unknown full picture to understand.

The worst TMAU urine result seemed to only carry a PYROXD2 DNA fault.
In this paper, the worst result was #52 who only carried a fault in PYROXD2 enzyme.

Worst result in paper : #52 ... TMAO% output 13% ... FMO3 faults : none ... PYROXD2 faults : carries one

The worst TMAU result had no FMO3 faults and only carried 1 PYROXD2 fault. This throws up more questions than answers. 5 carried PYROXD2 faults (3 were homozygous, 2 heterozygous).

PYROXD2 faults listed : Not in coding part of PYROXD2
To make a PYROXD2 protein, you need an amino acid code. These are the codons on the exons.
Genes also have introns, which are generally regarded as 'junk' or unknown.
In this paper, the PYROXD2 faults listed are in the intronic region (not the exons). So they are not even in the coding part of the enzyme gene.

example of how gene makes a protein.
FMO3 has 532 amino acid code to make the FMO3 protein
this means 532 codons.
Genes also have intron part.
Introns not needed to form the protein, but faults there seem to be able to disable the protein.

PYROXD2 
This enzyme has been listed before in one TMAU paper. I can't recall at the moment.

Final thoughts 
The paper is certainly interesting in that it raises questions about current TMAU  teaching. How much impact it will have ... possibly not much due to lack on interest in TMAU.

I will be looking around at PYROXD2 again in a mild way. My mind is currently too set on FMO3 and all it's sulfide/amine volatiles, rather than TMA.

I have no expertise and my interp and thoughts could be wildly wrong.
My impression is Monell can be sensitive about opinions.

My own current theory on systemic body odor/halitosis
Most people identify with 'fecal body odor'. I think this is due to sulfides, maybe some amines. I think it is due to problems with the FMO3 enzyme. Probably often a combo of FMO3 slight weakness and 'FMO3 substrate gut dysbiosis'.

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19 January 2017

REACT TMAU Fund : spare a $5 ?

RE(ACT) rare disease site.
Meant for research crowdfunding.
Part of the BLACKSWAN charity.
Based in Switzerland.
Founded by pediatrician Dr Olivier Menzel.

Idea behind RE(ACT)
Rare disease groups can use it as a crowdfund site for research into their disease.
Researchers are supposed to put forward research proposals.
REACT has a expert committee who accept/reject proposals.
If no proposal is ongoing, the money goes in to a fund awaiting proposals.

RE(ACT) TMAU Fund
Throw them $5 ? (or EU/£ )
Problems with REACT
Staff seem to be not around.
Seems to be no users around.
Seems to be only one research fund ever raised of all the disorders.
Generally it seems neglected.
Yet they seem to do annual conferences.

REACT TMAU FUND : throw a $5 their way ?
Maybe if you have a spare 5 $/£/EU you could donate it to the TMAU Fund as a wake-up call.
Consider it money wasted.

Good things about REACT TMAU FUND
You can see the amount raised on their site.
Money does seem to at least stay in the fund (possibly forever).
Does not seem to get transferred into a general fund if deemed redundant.

SYSTEMIC MALODOR/TMAU community should have their research fund(s)
examples, Research Fund(s), campaigns such as awareness campaigns (e.g. Bus ad, conference) ).
Main ideas :
Needs to be transparent.
Needs to have broad support.  
Needs to be trusted etc.

Crowdfund campaigns etc
Examples : Individuals or small groups could start TMAU/Malodor crowdfunds.




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30 December 2016

Putting FMO3 through the 'drug repurpose' checklist

FMO3 has been taught that it cannot be induced as most other redox enzymes can (e.g. the CYPs).
Perhaps this thinking is because so few have investigated FMO3.
A recent paper suggested a Korean herbal mushroom may induce FMO3.

DRUG REPURPOSING :
A (new ?) method of (relatively) 'inexpensive' enzyme research is to check how drugs past their patent period to see if they may be of any use in other health conditions.

Drug Repurposing for enzyme disorders (e.g. FMO3)
For enzyme disorders this probably involves checking the reaction of  the enzyme to a list of unpatented drugs in a lab (e..g FMO3). In this case a priority would probably to be to see if it can INDUCE FMO3 (i.e. make it work harder) so you maybe get another 10-20% output.

Main benefits of Drug Repurposing (?) :
It's RELATIVELY inexpensive.
It should be reasonably quick and easy to do (? a year ?)
A lot will be known of the drugs already.  
May learn more about enzyme (e.g. a group of compounds induce/inhibit)

RESEARCHER INTERESTED IN FMO3 DRUG REPURPOSING
A researcher has shown an interest in putting FMO3 through the 'drug repurposing' check.
As usual funding would be the issue.
A opening estimate is that it may cost around $US 74,000 (probably mostly to hire someone to run the checks.)
An opening estimate is that it would take around a year.
They are looking at possible ways of getting funding but it's difficult.

It's something the community can think about.

Links about Drug Repurposing :
NIH USA website
wikipedia
101 website
findacure UK 

FMO3 and Systemic Malodor
My own interest in FMO3 is because I currently suspect it is my main suspect enzyme for most cases of 'systemic/metabolic malodor' (i.e. caused by an enzyme deficiency or overload, not hygiene etc).
FMO3 oxidizes many sulfides and amines in humans. But other enzymes cannot be ruled out.

Current possible therapies for TMAU or FMO3 'smells' :
TMA inhibition/reduction in the gut (e.g. Cleveleand Clinic working on a reducer to be marketed as a supplement by P&G. Not known when it will be available).
TMA metabolization in the gut (e.g. 'probiotic' that metabolizes TMA. Probably a 'methanogen' which will take it the methane route.)
'Gene Therapy' (probably ideal option)

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19 December 2016

Can FMO3 be induced by Korean mushroom ?

FMO3 experts teach that (in general ?) FMO3 cannot be induced or inhibited.
This is despite 'redox' enzymes often being induced/inhibited by foods/drugs/compounds.
A good example is a grapefruit compound greatly inhibiting enzyme CYP3A4 (discovered by accident).
FMO3 is known to be inhibited by certain indoles mainly in cruciferous veg (Cashman et al).
Also menstruation hormones have been shown to inhibit FMO3 (Cashman et al).
But still, the teaching seems to be that FMO3 cannot be induced/inhibited.

One view could be that so little is known of FMO3 (and perhaps other redox enzymes, but perhaps FMO3 is less important) that perhaps FMO3 can be induced/inhibited by compounds in food/drink/drugs. We don't know.

Paper : Korean herbal mushroom induces FMO3 
In a research paper last week, the authors seem to think they have shown that FMO3 can be induced by a Asian mushroom commonly used by Korean Herbalists.

Korean paper (University of Seoul, Seoul, Korea):
Korean herbal mushroom induces FMO3 in mice in research paper.
mushroom : Phellinus baumii

Quote :
"PBE was responsible for the induction of Fmo2, Fmo3, and Fmo4 expression. PBE also accelerated the metabolic clearance of carbendazim in vivo and so could be applied to the detoxification of xenobiotics such as drugs, pesticides, and nicotine."

pubmed link to abstract

My own view of this :
It's a one-off paper, perhaps biased to Korean herbal compounds.
I won't be looking to buy the mushroom.
The more I try herbal compounds, the worse I feel.
I think FMO3 was thought to develop in the animal/plant warfare fight, as plants developed poisons, FMO3 was developed to metabolize these (could be wrong),

But, it raises the question again about FMO3 INDUCTION as a possible therapy.

My main thought on this paper :
The notion that FMO3 INDUCTION may be worth exploring as a possible FMO3/TMAU therapy. This would be to say boost function by say 10-20%.
FMO3 induction would probably only be any use to those with FMO3 weakness/deficiency.

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23 February 2016

FMO3 DNA test survey

body odor survey
Click image for survey
A survey for those who have results for the FMO3 DNA test
SURVEY STILL OPEN
An 11 question blog survey
To collect some useful data about FMO3 test results
From those who have a systemic/metabolic malodor concern
All questions are optional

Tested FMO3 gene ? You can do the survey
Link to FMO3 test result survey

link to give to others
https://goo.gl/zHUan6

FMO3 survey latest 03/16   
I created this survey as a way of collecting some FMO3 test result data.
I will make some of the data public in a collective fashion so that it is non-identifiable
Maybe it will show a pattern among us


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2 February 2016

study : FMO's promote longevity and health span



New paper on the FMO group of enzymes by Uni of Washington researchers. They look at FMO's in nematodes, and the conclusion in this paper is that "FMOs are conserved in eukaryotes and induced by multiple life span-extending interventions in mice, which suggests that these enzymes may play a critical role in promoting health and longevity across phyla." 

Link to abstract (pubmed)

My own view on the abstract :
I only have access to the abstract. To me it seems to say that the FMO group of enzymes (FMO3 the most abundant in humans) may play some sort of positive health and longevity role in all animals. I presume this must be taken as a 1st paper on the connection and not a mainstream consensus.

Connection with Fecal Body Odor /  TMAU  / systemic body odor :
It's my own view that FMO3 may be the main suspect in human 'metabolic malodor' syndrome. So any resaearch on FMO enzymes and FMO3 in particular I think may be of use to those with metabolic malodor. FMO's tend to oxidize many common small sulfides and amines, so I suspect people with 'FMO3 metabolic malodor' will smell of these sulfides and amines.

What will happen because of this paper ?
I can see 3 possible outcomes :
1. nothing will happen
2. They may keep researching and do a few more papers that don't have much impact.
3. The research world is bowled over by the paper and they all throw money and research into it (to various degrees). Very unlikely I think.  

Things to remember about the paper
Done in nematodes, but they say could apply in humans
Might be a one-off paper with little impact (hopefully not)
Researchers have no history of an interest in TMAU etc.


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22 December 2015

new Chinese paper : FMO3 gene therapy in mouse

fmo3 research
Chinese academic research
FMO3 mutation successfully replaced by a normal copy in a single cell mouse embryo
They think it will 'cure' the mouse and each future generation
This is stage 1 (proof of concept), so probably would take years to reach a clinical therapy if that were possible
Probably the 1st time this has been tried with FMO3
A commenter tells me this is unlikely to lead to a therapy for anyone other than embryos


comment :
A group of Chinese academics seem to have for some reason tried to change a mutated FMO3 gene in a mouse embryo and change it to a 'correct' FMO3 gene using gene therapy. It seems they were successful. Why they chose FMO3 is not known.

Keep expectations in context :
While it's exciting to see the concept of gene therapy for FMO3 in a mammal proven, an expert has suggested to me it is not  likely to result in a therapy for humans other than those at the embryo stage.

Still, it's an interesting development. It would be interesting know why they chose FMO3 as the gene to try, and if they plan to continue this research using FMO3.

Why FMO3 is of interest to systemic body odor :
It is my belief that FMO3 gene is responsible for what is commonly referred to as 'Fecal Body Odor', which I think is due to the build up of FMO3 substrates. FMO3 oxidizes many sulfides and amines.

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4 July 2015

TMAU webinar about the potential therapy 'FMO cream'

TMAU webinar June 2015
Hosted by : Rob at rareconnect.org
Guest speaker : Jake Wintermute PhD
Webinar title :  Synthetic Biology and Microbiome Engineering approaches for Trimethylaminuria



My understanding of this subject :
It could leads to a 'FMO cream' that is currently theorized as being based on genetically modified harmless skin organism rich in FMO that would oxidize TMA and other FMO substrates on touch.

The end product could be cheap and easy to manufacture but it may take millions to develop

A funder would need to be found for such a project (probably a pharma company)

As FMO needs oxygen to thrive, currently it is thought it could only realistically be a skin cream and not a 'probiotic' that could be taken orally as the gut is mostly a very 'oxygen deprived' area.

Other speculative thoughts :
Perhaps it would not need to be a 'probiotic' cream but rather just a FMO rich cream or some other oxidizer that is capable of oxidizing FMO3 substrates. FMO3 substrates can be oxidized by other metabolic pathways (not usually in humans).

It would probably not have to be specifically FMO3 enzyme, but merely a FMO enzyme (there are are 6 types of FMO enzymes known : FMO1 - FMO6). FMO's hopefully have a broad overlap in function in this situation.  

The perfect scenario would be some sort of pill that oxidizes FMO3 substrates in the gut.  

It is a very exciting potential therapy. Lets hope we can get the project going.

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31 May 2015

New FMO3 paper by Shimizu et al (2015)

New paper by FMO3/TMAU researcher Prof. Shimizu in Japan, and others with a similar research background.

102 people who presumably contacted the lab about a malodor concern were DNA tested for FMO3 faults.
Using their own subjective reference ranges (no consensus on a ref range currently exists), 79 were decreed to have TMAU

The paper seems to be a simple testing of 102 people with a self-reported malodor concern in Japan. Such papers are useful as statistics, and sadly pretty rare. I would say no collection of data on the subject is a tragedy for the community in that the lack of data keeps it regarded as a 'rare' condition.

Of those tested, 79 were 'positive' for TMAU, which hiostorically is quite a high number in such studies. Using my own guess at a reference range, I would expect it to be even higher if not all 102.

Full paper (2015) : TMAU in a Japanese population

The paper wishes to point out the following as important for context :

WHAT IS ALREADY KNOWN ABOUT THIS SUBJECT

Trimethylaminuria results from reduced capacity to convert trimethylamine to trimethylamine N-oxide, a reaction catalyzed by FMO3.
Mutations of FMO3 are known to cause trimethylaminuria, but an understanding of the phenotypic consequences of different FMO3 genotypes (haplotypes) is lacking.

WHAT THIS STUDY ADDS
Severe trimethylaminuria is caused by mutations that severely impair FMO3 activity.
Most affected individuals present with moderate or mild forms of the disorder, due to factors other than FMO3 genotype.
Although for the majority of sufferers sequencing of FMO3 would not be informative, reduction of trimethylamine burden should prove beneficial.

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Personally I would strongly disagree with the last point in particular very strongly. Anyone who thinks they may have a metabolic malodor problem should do the FMO3 DNA test. FMO3 and TMAU are not 'intensly researched' subjects where everything is understood about them. To me very little is known about TMAU and FMO3, so as much data is needed as possible, especially test results. Also I believe the reference ranges are set too conservative, looking at it the opposite way from someone who thinks they have a malodor problem. If someone feels they have a metabolic malodor problem and have say a few SNP's that are currently regarded as 'harmless', then personally I think the person is right.  

So I am grateful for such papers, and in this one the number deemed positive for TMAU was relatively high, but I personally feel the reference ranges are still too conservative and so many will get 'false negatives'.
       

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11 April 2015

New FMO3 paper : FMO3/TMAO and diabetes/CVD ?


Research paper (Apr 2015) :
Flavin-containing monooxygenase 3 as a potential player in diabetes-associated atherosclerosis
Full paper : link

researchers and labs involved :
Ji Miao, Alisha V. Ling, Praveen V. Manthena, Mary E. Gearing, Mark J. Graham, Rosanne M. Crooke, Kevin J. Croce, Ryan M. Esquejo, Clary B. Clish, Morbid Obesity Study Group, David Vicent & Sudha B. Biddinger

  • 1Division of Endocrinology, Boston Children's Hospital, Harvard Medical School, Boston, Massachusetts, USA.
  • 2Isis Pharmaceuticals, Carlsbad, California, USA.
  • 3Cardiovascular Division, Brigham and Women's Hospital, Harvard Medical School, Boston, Massachusetts, USA.
  • 4Metabolic Disease Program and Diabetes and Obesity Center, Sanford-Burnham Medical Research Institute, Orlando, Florida, USA.
  • 5Broad Institute, Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA.
  • 61] Department of Endocrinology and Nutrition, Hospital Carlos III, Madrid 28029, Spain [2] Instituto de Investigación Sanitaria del Hospital Universitario La Paz (IdiPAZ), Madrid 28046, Spain.
My first impression of the paper :
This new paper seems to suggest that FMO3 enzyme may play a (negative) role in diabetes and atherosclerosis. This to me would seem to imply that people with FMO3 deficiency may have a protective advantage (?).

The researchers were based at various respected hospitals in USA and Spain.

It seems they investigated 175 metabolites to see which may be associated with insulin resistance and CVD and of these metabolites TMA-oxide was the most noticeable.

It's a bit too technical for me but it seems people with FMO3 deficiency should have a protective advantage but that's not so good if you have 'FMO3 malodor'.

The best news is that this will intensify research into FMO3 enzyme and trimethylamine metabolism in humans as the paper is associating FMO3 and TMA-oxide with diabetes and cardiovascular disease.

Of note is that this research paper did not include the Hazen lab at Cleveland Clinic which first proposed a connection with TMAO and CVD in 2011. So I guess this paper is sort of backing up this connection.

My view on FMO3 and metabolic malodors :
Personally I currently suspect FMO3 enzyme may be to blame for most cases of 'metabolic malodors'. This is because FMO3 oxidizes many sulfides and amines in humans. If not FMO3 then one of the other oxidizing enzymes, though my current suspicion is with FMO3.



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15 March 2015

IGEM 2014 TMAU project : French Team neutralise trimethylamine with GM microbe.

IGEM 2014 trimethylaminuria project
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A group of French graduates based at Paris Descartes University genetically engineered a skin bacteria to make it rich in an enzyme (trimethylamine mono-oxygenase) that oxidizes (neutralizes) trimethylamine to TMA-oxide. The experiment was for an annual international genetic engineering contest for undergraduate teams (IGEM 2014) and was proven to work in a lab (i.e. the concept of proven 'in a test tube').

Link : Something Fishy (IGEM 2014)

The undergraduate team are based at
Centre for Research and Interdisciplinarity (CRI)
Faculty of Medicine Cochin Port-Royal,
South wing, 2nd floor
Paris Descartes University

The team seem to be called 'Paris Bettencourt' for the annual IGEM competition. Perhaps most of their funding is by the Bettencourt Foundation (Bettencourt being the founding family of L'oreal).

The experiment :
The experiment was to take an enzyme that oxidizes trimethylamine to TMA-O from a microbe and put the enzyme in a 'human-friendly' micro-organism. It was one of 4 projects they did in relation to body odor and how genetic engineering may help. In this project, they took a TMA oxidizing enzyme (trimethylamine mono-oxygenase) from a non-human bacteria (Ruegeria pomeroyi) and put it in  E.coli and Corynebacterium striatum, a skin-native bacterium.

Results :
It seems that they were able to put the TMA oxidizing enzyme into E Coli and the Corynebacterium striatum which is a skin-native bacterium 

They put the genetically modified TMM rich E Coli in a TMA liquid and it did oxidize much of the TMA to TMAO.

Possible applications :
They mention the possibility of a TMM-rich bacteria added to a spray or cream to put on the skin and eliminate TMA on the skin.

Presumably another possibility is to make a GM  skin-native bacteria rich in TMM enzyme that could be nurtured to live on humans (?)

Possibly an internal therapy answer could be formulated , such as a TMM rich probiotic.

Final comment :
The big question is whether these types of answers are only possible now or could have been found earlier but have not due to no interest in TMAU/FMO3 by the research community overall. It is also not known if the above project is being followed up on. 

The project says TMM is not just TMA specific, so perhaps it will work on other/all smelly substrates which may be the same as FMO3 substrates.

Desulfovibrio desulfuricans :
The project also seems to 'blame'  Desulfovibrio desulfuricans bacteria as the cause of degradation of choline to TMA. This is the first time I have heard of this connection. It is interesting because it has been a bacteria of suspicion and is mostly known for producing hydrogen sulfide (H2S) from sulfates. Many people with metabolic malodor and TMAU report of smelling of 'rotten egg' which H2S is one known possible source of this smell.           


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1 March 2015

Rich investors needed for Trimethylaminuria research project


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MEBO Research is in touch with a biotech start-up that is researching a therapy for genetic trimethyaminuria (TMAU) and 'overload' TMAU (secondary TMAU).

It is normal in the medical research sector and invention sector for companies to be very secretive about their projects (due to patent concerns etc), so very little can be said about the project at this stage. The only info that can be given is that the research is now at a stage where it needs £/$ millions, so realistically any investors would need to be very rich. As is normal with this type of arrangement, any rich investor could find our more about the project by signing a confidentiality agreement.

A press release was written by Karen of MEBO Research which can be seen on the MEBO blog. Below is an abridged version of the release :


Are there any affluent philanthropists or serious investors out there willing to back a promising therapy for Trimethylaminuria?

Wealthy individuals are sought for investment discussions with a trusted, UK-based, biotech company looking to raise capital for continued research into a very promising TMAU therapeutic. This treatment could potentially handle both primary and secondary versions of TMAU. It is also a great opportunity for investors to have a stake in a company actively looking at therapeutics for other disorders and diseases.

Confidentiality would be assured, and any interested parties would be invited to sign a confidentiality agreement before being shown data about the project.

Please e-mail MEBO ( maria.delatorre@meboresearch.org or karen.james@meboresearch.org ) who will put you into contact immediately with the relevant company.         

links :
Full press release on MEBO Research website
MEBO Research blog
MEBO Research website


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22 January 2015

Hazen et al propose connection between FMO3 and cholesterol metabolism

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New paper on a possible connection between cholesterol metabolism and FMO3 enzyme

The TMAO-Generating Enzyme Flavin Monooxygenase 3 Is a Central Regulator of Cholesterol Balance
Warrier et al, Various USA research labs

Link to abstract of paper : Pubmed

Post about :
New research linking cholesterol metabolism with FMO3 enzyme. This is the 1st time this has been suggested.

Connection with systemic body odor :
It is my suspicion that FMO3 substrates cause most cases of 'systemic body odor' (the common type known as plain 'fecal body odor'). So any research into FMO3 will be welcome, as currently it is generally an ignored enzyme.

My view on this new paper :
Regular readers will be aware that Dr Stan Hazen at the Cleveland Clinic is the lead researcher in a new theory that trimethylamine-oxide (TMAO) may be closely associated with atherosclerosis (CVD). This would be of interest to people with trimethylaminuria (TMAU) as it may lead to research to neutralize trimethylamine  in humans. However it would still have left people with FMO3 deficiency of some sort with this deficiency. As I suspect FMO3 substrates other than trimethylamine may cause most of the malodors in 'fecal body odor' syndrome (e.g, sulfides) then neutralising trimethylamine may not have resulted in no more malodor.

Dr Hazen is now connected with thus new paper that suggests FMO3 enzyme has a role in cholesterol metabolism. Dr Hazen is not the lead researcher though the Cleveland Clinic is heavily involved, as are other top USA research labs to do with heart disease.

This new news that FMO3 may be linked to cholesterol metabolism is likely to lead to much research into FMO3 enzyme, which now means that both trimethylamine and FMO3 will now get a lot of research attention. So in my opinion this is very good news for those with systemic body odor especially if it is to do with FMO3 enzyme.    


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5 December 2014

Female hormone estradiol shown to inhibit FMO3

Post about : Italian researchers proving that the main female sex hormone,  17β-Estradiol, does inhibit FMO3 levels 'in vitro' human DNA/RNA testing.

In 2007 a paper was published where adult females who menstruate who have a TMAU diagnosis were TMAU tested daily over 120 days to check their TMA/TMAO fluctuations. It found that some tend to have a much lower ability to oxidize TMA during menstruation.

Now a group of researchers in Italy have checked out the DNA/RNA capabilities of human FMO3 'in vivo' to see if a few steroid hormones did affect FMO3 levels. It seems they found that the main female sex hormone  17β-Estradiol did inhibit FMO3 production. Other hormones they tested did not seem to affect FMO3 production.

Quote :
Dexamethasone, 5α-dihydrotestosterone, thyroid hormone, and progesterone had no effect on the accumulation of Fmo3 mRNA. The use of increased concentration of theophylline inhibited estrogen receptor α (ERα)-mediated transcription of Fmo3 mRNA. 17β-Estradiol inhibited Fmo3 mRNA accumulation.
So it seems now the menstruation-FMO3 inhibition link has been 'explained'. I am not sure if this explanation will now be accepted by all or if it is just one possible explanation. Possibly since it is DNA research it will likely be accepted by all.

New Paper :
Regulation of flavin-containing mono-oxygenase (Fmo3) gene expression by steroids in mice and humans. : Pubmed Abstract link

2007 paper :
Transient trimethylaminuria related to menstruation : link to Full paper



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13 November 2014

Norwegian study about TMAO and heart failure

tmao heart disease
New paper by a group of Norwegian researchers
Study done on humans
Reinforces suggestion of connection between TMAO and Heart Diseasae
TMAO is oxidized trimethylamine
Will likely result in much more research into TMAO and trimethylamine
Might lead to a 'TMA-blocking' drug

A new research paper by a group of Norwegian researchers has reinforced the notion that trimethylamine-n-oxide may have a strong connecrion with heart disease. The researchers checked TMAO levels in patients with heart disease and healthy volunteers and assessed the outcomes. It seems they found a connection with TMAO and heart failure. One especially interesting thing about this study is that it a new group of researchers making the connection between TMAO and CVD, thus possibly reinforcing the connection the original research group made (Hazen et al) .

What does it mean for people with TMAU ?
It probably means there will be much funding and worldwide research into TMA/TMAO and possibly FMO3, and the aim will probably be to learn as much as possible about TMA/TMAO production in humans and FMO3 metabolism, and to produce cures such as a trimethylamine-formation blocking drug For anyone who thinks they have a malodor due to trimethylamine only, I guess it would mean a cure (no TMA would mean no smell ?)

My own opinion :
Personally my own current view is that I think most people with a metabolic malodor probably have 'FMO3 malodor', which means an odor from any FMO3 substrate produced in humans (including many sulfides and amines). So I am skeptical that preventing TMA production alone may be a 'cure' for 'FMO3 substrate malodor', but I hope I am wrong. They may also look at ways to alter the gut flora etc, as well as looking at FMO3 which up until this connection was neglected by research. So overall it's a very good thing for people with 'FMO3 malodors' and to anyone who thought they only had a malodor due to trimethylamine.

10 November 2014

New paper links FMO3 to heart disease and other health problems

A paper in 2012 suggesting a link between trimethylamine-n-oxide levels and atherosclerosis has resulted in much research interest in TMAO and it's metabolism (TMA etc). Now a new paper with the lead researcher being based at  University of California, Los Angeles suggests the connection to glucose, insulin, lipids and atherosclerosis may be associated with FMO3 rather than TMA/TMAO. The suggestion seems to be that having sub-par FMO3 function may have a protective effect from these biomarkers of common disease causing biomarkers.

Keep in mind the study was in mice, not humans.  

Quotes from the paper :

Quote

"Our results indicate a major role for FMO3 in modulating glucose and lipid homeostasis in vivo"
Comment by me : This might lead to more FMO3 research.

Quote : (When mice had disabled FMO3 function)
"... resulted in decreased circulating TMAO levels and atherosclerosis Surprisingly, we also observed significant decreases in hepatic lipids and in levels of plasma lipids, ketone bodies, glucose and insulin"
Comment by me : The abstract seems to be saying that mice made FMO3 deficient had reduced atherosclerosis, hepatic lipids and plasma lipids, ketones, glucose and insulin, which I presume all are a good thing.

Quote :
In vivo and in vitro results were consistent with the concept that the effects were mediated directly by FMO3 rather than TMA/TMAO; in particular
Comment by me :
Previously they had suggested there is a connection between CVD and TMAO, but now they are suggesting the connection is with FMO3 function, and that reduced FMO3 function not only means less atherosclerosis, but of many other chemicals associated with general health problems such as diabetes.

Quote :
The recessive disorder trimethylaminuria, due to loss of function mutations
of FMO3 gene, occurs at a frequency of about 1 in 10,000 in Caucasian populations (4). It will be
of interest to examine whether these individuals or obligate heterozygous individuals exhibit
alterations in lipid and glucose metabolism.

What does it mean for those with FMO3 malodor syndrome ?
It's not much comfort for those with FMO3 deficiency malodors, except perhaps you may have some protection from heart disease or diabetes ? (if the hypothesis was correct). However it should lead to much more research into FMO3, which up until now was a very neglected enzyme with almost no research or interest. This research project itself must have cost a bit (no problem with funding), and it one of about 5 papers with this line of study over the last year or so.  

Abstract paper Nov 2014 :
Flavin containing monooxygenase 3 exerts broad effects on glucose and lipid metabolism and atherosclerosis 
Abstract Link
Full paper Link

Why do I think this is important to people with metabolic malodors ?
FMO3 deficiency is accepted as causing TMAU due to high levels of trimethylamine. However FMO3 oxidizes 1,000s of small sulfides and amines in humans and I believe that someone with FMO3 deficiency may be prone to overload of  any FMO3 substrate, many of which are very smelly. So any FMO3 research is good for those who think they have 'FMO3 substrate malodor'. For those who feel they just have TMAU (i.e. only trimethylamine is an issue) then FMO3 research would be good for them too anyhow.

28 July 2014

RE(ACT) : the ideal platform for TMAU research crowdfunding

RE(ACT) seems to provide an ideal platform for researchers of Trimethylaminuria (TMAU) to put their research projects forward and  allow the public to provide the funding.

RE(ACT) TMAU page

This is very important because the old model was that researchers asked governments or rich charities for funding, and something like TMAU is often neglected.

Researchers can now be notified of REACT for funding.

REACT is part of the BlackSwan Foundation, a Swiss charity founded by a pediatrician. REACT takes 10% of any donations as admin fees.





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Exome testing is almost the same price now as single gene testing. Also Genos is consumer friendly, which standard DNA labs are not.

So the blog offer to test solely for FMO3 is almost obsolete, and so no longer offered.


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